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Thanks for summarizing my paper on "third hand" vaping. I think that you conveyed the main argument: the only phenomenon of THS (third hand smoke) that is reproducible in vaping is nicotine adsorption in indoor surfaces, but even in this case the phenomenon is much weaker than in THS. Measurable concentrations of adsorbed nicotine in surfaces from vaping aerosols only occurs under special environmental conditions (laboratory chambers and vape shops before 2020). Under normal environmental conditions in which day to day vaping take place these concentrations are barely detectable.

However, I have minor disagreements with some of your conclusions on the issues stated above, but major criticism on your interpretation of animal studies. I will express all this in detail in a future post in my own Substack.

Notice that my article did not deal with animal studies on "third hand" exposure from vaping. In this issue you write "These protocols are well suited to asking whether an effect can occur." I have a strong disagreement with this interpretation. The 3 studies reproduced in their experiments extreme conditions: mice exposed to fabrics in their cages previously exposed to excessive aerosol (nicotine) mass. Mice were exposed in reduced spaces to amounts of nicotine in these fabrics higher than the amount found in fabrics in any human exposure. In particular, the study by Umphres et al used a powerful device to deliver 400 daily puffs in 5 days: 2000 puffs, with 230 µg/puff of nicotine, making 460 mg. No fabric in a surface of any human habitat contains such levels of nicotine. Also, you have to consider the scale: typical small towels or fabrics easily weight 10-20 gm and extend 50 cm2, occupying a large part of the mice cage area and weighing a significant proportion of the mice weight. Imagine a 20 kg child exposed in a small flat to a 5 X 5 m2 towel weighting 15 kg. I have two PubPeer comments commenting on overexposure and on the scale problem, one on a recent paper by Umphres et and another on the same group as Thorpe at al

https://www.pubpeer.com/publications/2ED0097D6126B6FC7FE5392773ED9B#

https://www.pubpeer.com/publications/B604AE5B635D7A1A0E0A6571FDEF16

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